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TOWN OF LEDYARD

Town Council

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Meeting Minutes

Chairman S. Naomi

Rodriguez

Regular Meeting

Wednesday, June 12, 2024

7:00 PM

Town Hall Council Chambers

In-Person: Council Chambers Town Hall Annex Building

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CALL TO ORDER

IC.hairman Rodriguez called the meeting to order at 7:06 p.m. at the Council Chambers,

Town Hall Annex Building.

Chairman Rodriguez welcomed all to the Hybrid Meeting. She stated for the members of

the Town Council and the Public who were participating via video conference that the

remote meeting information was available on the Agenda that was posted on the Town’s

Website - Granicus-Legistar Meeting Portal.

II.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

ROLL CALL

III.

Councilor April Brunelle

Councilor Jessica Buhle

Councilor Kevin Dombrowski

Councilor Carmen Garcia-Irizarry

Councilor Gary Paul

Present:

Chairman S. Naomi Rodriguez

Councilor Tim Ryan

Councilor Tony Saccone

Councilor Gary St. Vil

IV.

PRESENTATIONS

None.

RESIDENT & PROPERTY OWNERS (COMMENTS LIMITED TO THREE (3)

MINUTES

Mr. Stephen Munger, 12 Nutmeg Drive, Gales Ferry, began his comments by thanking

Chairman Rodriguez and the members of the Town Councl for opportunity to speak tonight.

He stated that he along with many others appreciate and respect the dedication of all the

members, even if he disagreed with none, some, or all of their decisions. He stated that he

has watched the videos of some of the Town Council meetings that were available on-line

and he noted that the Town Council has allowed members of the public to speak for more

than three minutes. He stated although he was going to try to present his comments within

the three-minute limit that he may go a little over the allowed time and that he would

appreciate if the Town Council would allow him to finish his comments this evening, noting

that he was present to address the following two items: (1) Fiscal Year 2024/2025 Budget

and (2) Raising of the Pride Flag.

Mr. Munger proceeded by noting that tonight was his first time speaking at a Town Council

Meeting. He stated that he missed the April 15, 2024 Public Hearing and May 20, 2024

Annual Town Meeting regarding the Fiscal Year 2024/2025 Budget. He stated that he was

disappointed that he did not attend either of these meetings to voice his opinion on the

Annual Budget because some of the information that was presented was not 100% correct.

He stated based on the proposed Fiscal Year 2024/2025 Budget presentations that most

taxpayers were supposed to see an increase of about $150.00 a year in their taxes. However,

he stated in speaking to a knowledgeable friend that most of them were going to pay more

than an additional $150.00 a year. He stated he did not think the wrong number was put out

on purpose, noting perhaps that number should not have been put out at all, because many

taxpayers would see a higher increase in their taxes; and he commented that the information

provided was disingenuous. He stated that he was also sad to see that only 4% of residents

voted on the budget regardless of how they chose to vote. He stated going forward that he

planned to get more people involved. He stated in watching the Budget Meeting Video that

he got upset because one resident who was in the audience complained because some

members of the Town Council were not at a meeting. He thanked Chairman Rodriguez and

appreciated her comments in which she stated that people have lives outside of the Town

Council; and that those Town Council Members had been excused because they had a reason

not to be there.

Mr. Munger went on to note for those who do not know him, that he served in the US Navy

for 24.5 years protecting the rights of all Americans regardless of their beliefs, race, creed,

religion, as long as they did not infringe on the beliefs; or the rights of others. He stated that

he was a firm believer that they have a short life on this planet, and therefore, everyone

should live their life the way they want to.

Mr. Munger continued to address the flying the Gay Pride Flag in Ledyard Center. He stated

that he did not have a problem with that; but that this would be a major issue if the town

breaks the law and does not follow the Supreme Cout decision of May, 2022 that simply

stated: "Fly One; You Must Fly All".

Mr. Munger presented the following flags that he would like the town to fly as noted below:

· Pine Tree Flag - General George Washington Commissioned the Pine Tree Flag to be put

on all Naval Ships when they first went into battle for the Revolutionary War.

· Thin Green Line Flag - First Responders

· Thin Red Line Flag - Firemen.

Mr. Munger stated he did not think anyone would have a problem with any of these three

categories. He stated if the town decided to raise one flag that they need to consider every

flag that someone wanted to put up. He suggested before people do something, that they

should take a step back and consider how many people it would affect, whether it was

good or bad.

Mr. Munger thanked the members of the Town Council and Board of Education Member

Joanne Kelley, noting that these volunteer commitments take a lot of time out of their

personal lives, noting that they do not receive any compensation for their work. He stated

that he appreciated the opportunity to speak this evening and that he hoped they would

make the correct decisions moving forward.

Ms. Anne Roberts-Pierson, 4 Anderson Drive, Gales Ferry, thanked the volunteers who

serve on town commissions, and she thanked the Town Council for the time they give to the

town. She went on to thank the Town Council’s Administration Committee for their quick

action to include a discussion regarding an Ethics Commission on their June 12, 2024

Agenda, as was suggested by herself and Mrs. Edwards at the Town Council’s May 22, 2024

meeting. She stated unfortunately she was not able to attend the Administration

Committee’s meeting earlier this evening and she questioned the status of their work on the

proposal. Chairman Rodriguez stated the Administration Committee’s first discussion

regarding a proposed Ethic Commission went well, noting that they had some work to do.

Ms. Roberts-Pierson suggested the Administration Committee review the Town of

Norwich’s Ethics Code, noting that it was far superior to the 2019 Draft Ordinance that was

attached to their Agenda on the Meeting Portal this evening.

Ms. Roberts-Pierson concluded her comments by stating that her suggestion for the Town

Council to conduct an investigation regarding the firing of Town Planner Juliet Hodge on

April 25, 2024 still stands.

Mr. Daniel Pealer, 48 Highland Drive, Ledyard, stated he had the following two questions:

(1).Was the Town Council considering flying flags other than the American Flag and the

State Flag?

Chairman Rodriguez responded by stating New Business Item #1 on tonight’s Agenda

was a discussion regarding the Pride Flag.

(2). Does the Town Council intend to make the use of the Flagpole a Public Forum allowing

members of the public to petition the Government to be able to fly flags with different

symbology on them.

Chairman Rodriguez stated that she did know what would come up during the discussion

later this evening.

Mr. Stan Juber, 13 Iron Street, Ledyard, stated that he spent a considerable amount of time

in the Council Chambers, noting he has lived in Ledyard for 40-years and has been involved

in government in one capacity or another during all these years. He stated in addition to

serving four-terms on the Town Council, he served as Chairman of three Charter Revision

Commissions, twelve years on the Board of Assessment Appeals, he served on the Housing

Authority and was currently serving on the Water Pollution Control Authority. He stated the

until about six-months ago it was difficult to tell who was a Republican and who was a

Democrat, noting that everyone tried to work together, for the good of the town. He stated

they did not intentionally engage in controversial issues, noting that they did things to unite

people, not to divide them. He stated for these reasons he was opposed to flying any flag in

an official capacity other than the United States of America Flag and the State of Connecticut

Flag. He stated as Mr. Munger mentioned that any flag they choose someone would be

offended. He stated a Pride Flag was a curious first choice to deviate from the town’s

tradition that goes back as far as the Mayor could remember. He stated they could have

chosen the POW-MIA Flag (Prisoner of War-Missing in Action); the Thin Blue Line Flag or

one of the flags that Mr. Munger showed earlier this evening that honored all First

Responders. However, he stated they chose a flag that was associated with the left political

movement. He stated that it may not be a flag of the Democratic Party, but that may as well

be, noting that everyone knows that. He stated if they were going to allow the Pride Flag that

they would have to allow all others. He stated there was no reason for this Town Council,

who represented everyone, to intentionally choose a symbol of division. He stated nothing

good would come of it.

Mr. Eric Treaster, 10 Huntington Way, Ledyard, stated the reason he was speaking tonight

was because he heard a rumor yesterday, hopefully untrue, that the Town Council intended to

amend the Agenda to deliberate and possibly vote on flying a Gay Pride flag in front of

Town Hall. He stated while he understands the importance of promoting inclusivity and

equality, but that flying the Pride Flag on town property would be a mistake. He stated there

were at least four reasons why flying the Pride Flag, the Black Lives Matter flag, or any other

nongovernmental flag on town property would be improper.

First, Mr. Treaster stated that it was important to consider that some residents may hold

differing views on the LGBTQIA+ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex,

Queer/Questioning, Asexual) movement, noting that displaying the Pride Flag on town

property may ignite conflict, controversy, and anger that would hinder our collective goal of

living in unity and harmony.

Second, Mr. Treaster stated if the Town Council allowed the Pride Flag to be flown on Town

property, some residents would perceive it as a message that the Town Council was

endorsing a specific ideology. Mr. Treaster stated the Town Council should not take any

action that may be interpreted as an endorsement of a particular social, religious, or political

movement. He stated the Town Council should limit its proceedings to those prescribed in

the Town Charter and the town ordinances. He stated the Town Charter and the town

ordinances do not give the Town Council the duty or the authority to determine which flags

are permitted on public property.

Third, Mr. Treaster stated as you know, the Town Council was a legislative body that must

treat everyone fairly, lawfully, and uniformly. He stated if they allowed the Pride Flag to be

flown on town property, that it would establish a precedent that, unless done carefully,

would require the town to also allow the Hamas Flag, the Mexican Flag, the MAGA Flag

(Make American Great Again) , the ANTIFA Flag (Anti-Fascist), the horrific NAMBLA

Flag (North American Man/Boy Love Association) which was a pedophilia advocacy

organization in the United States, or the Sacred Heart of Jesus flag, to be flown on town

property.

And fourth, Mr. Treaster stated the Town Council’s job, as their representatives, was to

focus on the core mission of governing and serving our town, which meant performing their

duties as specified in the Town Charter. He stated adhering to the Town Charter and town

ordinances would provide the legal framework that would protect Ledyard from potential

costly litigation.

Mr. Treaster concluded his remarks by stating that the Town Charter gives the Town Council

the legislative authority to write and adopt ordinances. He stated if they wanted the authority

to allow the Pride Flag or any other group flag to be flown on town properties, they must

first adopt an ordinance with fair, lawful, and uniform criteria for processing and approving

such requests. He urged great caution, noting that he could see legal costs.

Ms. Wendy Hellekson, 14-L Lakeside Drive, Gales Ferry, attending remotely, stated that she

has taught High School for almost twenty years. She stated that she sat in a room with

students who felt that they did not belong. She stated as Teachers part of their job was to

deal with students who were suicidal, noting that they could not leave the students alone. She

stated that she sat with students for hours as they worked to organize emergency mental

health for them, because they were so distraught by how they felt about themselves versus

the way they were being treated by others. She stated that she was not only talking about the

LGBTQIA+ community, that she was also talking about the kids that were being bullied, etc.

She stated that she supported raising the Pride Flag because it sends a message that

everybody belongs in the town; and she stated everybody does. She stated we were all

residents of this town.

Mr. Mike Cherry, 5 Whippoorwill Drive, Gales Ferry, thanked Councilor Buhle for once

again organizing the Yale-Harvard Regatta Day Festival this past weekend, June 8, 2024.

Mr. Cherry continued by addressing the Pride Flag, noting that the Town Council needed to

deliberate and to make a decision. He stated during their deliberations that the Town Council

would need to consider how many flagpoles were in front of the Town Hall, the law, and

practice regarding flying other flags. He stated throughout the year there were many months

that had a symbol or sign, and he suggested that perhaps a reasonable accommodation may

be to fly the flag of that month or event.

Chairman Rodriguez thanked all of the residents for their comments this evening.

VI.

COMMITTEE COMMISSION AND BOARD REPORTS

None.

VII. COMMENTS OF TOWN COUNCILORS

Councilor Paul, attending remotely, apologized in advance if he was not speaking clearly

noting that he had an abscessed tooth. He proceeded by thanking Councilor Buhle, the Parks

& Recreation Commission, and everyone that was involved for their work to organize the

Yale-Harvard Regatta Day Festival. He stated it was a great event, noting that he participated

by livestreaming the races.

Councilor Paul continued by stating at the Community Relations Committee for Diversity,

Equity & Inclusion’s June 6, 2024 Meeting they voted to approve hosting a Pride Pizza Party

on the Town Green on June 29, 2024; which was posted on Social Media. He stated during

their discussion other Events were mentioned and the process that was used; and that he

would like to address those as follows:

· Black History Month Activities/Contest- Councilor Paul stated the Community Relations

Committee had tried to get the Board of Education involved with this initiative because

learning about history regardless of whether it was Black History, Native American History,

Middle Eastern History, Asian History or Latin American History, should fall to our

educators, not a government sanctioned committee whose role was to govern. In addition, the

Committee also worked to involve the Library, as another Educational component of our

Community.

· Black History Month Poetry Slam - Lucille’s Restaurant - Councilor Paul stated when

this was occurring that he was confused because during their past discussions the Committee

was looking for the community to become involved and to initiate Events. Therefore, he

stated he thought the Event was put on by Lucille’s Restaurant, and not put on by the

Community Relations Committee, because there was no real discussion regarding the Event,

noting that it was mentioned like a side bar.

· Women’s Month Poetry Slam - Councilor Paul stated that he thought the same was

occurring here, as for the Black History Month. He stated that he did not realize these events

were Community Relations Committee hosted events.

Councilor Paul stated that the Community Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity &

Inclusion brought up a number of things that they wanted to support in town. He stated that

he thought supporting people and lifting people up was a good thing, noting that he has said

this a number of times. He noted the Committee mentioned the following:

· Senior Citizens Day - Councilor Paul stated the Senior Citizens Facility provided a lot of

Services and Programs for our Senior Citizens, noting that they offer rides to medical

appointments, grocery shopping, meal delivery to homebound Seniors, reduced priced

Breakfasts Lunches at the Senior Center; and many other services/programs.

· Children’s Day - Councilor Paul stated that the Parks & Recreation Commission puts on

a Children’s Day every Fall, along with other children events such as Trunk or Treat, the

Easter Egg Hunt and many other Events.

Councilor Paul stated that this was the work of these Departments; therefore, he stated he

had to question Why a Town Council Subcommittee was looking to get into other

Department’s Business. He stated as the past Chairman of the Community Relations

Committee that their Role was to be a resource to get this type of information to the residents

and to ensure that no one was being discriminated, not to host events.

Councilor Paul stated the Community Relations Committee was a subcommittee of the Town

Council, who was charged with the Legislative and Financial Responsibilities for the

Operations of their Town Government, not to throw parties for special interest groups. He

stated the Community Relations Committee’s work was to see that all residents of the

Community, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc., received the services the

local government provided, fairly and equally. He stated that he has not heard that any

Ledyard Resident that identifies as LGBTQIA+ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender,

Intersex, Queer/Questioning, Asexual) Community who has not received the same services

as all other residents, noting they have access to Library Services/Programs, they have their

roads plowed and paved according the schedule, they received water services if they are on

the public water system, register their dog, record Vital Documents (Birth Marriage, Death

Certificates), Record Land Deeds, Register Vehicles, obtain building permits, obtain

information from any Town Department when requested, they can be a member of the Senior

Citizens Center or any other town committee, use our parks and rent our facilities, and that

was just to name a few.

Councilor Paul continued to note as Mr. Hurt stated at the Community Relations Committee

for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion June 5, 2024 meeting “that LGBTQIA+ Community was

not a Group of People who were looking for anything special, noting that they were parents,

partners, siblings, children who were deserving of the same life, liberty, and pursuit of

happiness that unites them. Councilor Paul stated that his family member, who belonged to

the LGBTQIA+ Community, said the same thing; noting that they did not want the town to

throw them a Pizza Party, they just don’t want to be discriminated against, noting that he

would back his family member until the day he died. Councilor Paul questioned: Aren’t we

treating them special, if a Town Government sanctioned committee hosts a Pizza Party for

their Group or raises their Pride Flag?. He also questioned: Don’t we all have Pride in our

American Flag?. He stated that he and many others think they are being treated special. He

questioned whether the Town was going to throw a Pizza Party for the Greeks in our

Community and raise the Greek Flag, or are we going to raise the Patriot Front Flag which

was an off-shoot of Vanguard America who participated in the Unite the Right in

Charlottesville, Virginia, and was a White Supremacist Group, just because they asked us to.

He explained for those who do not know who this Group was or does not remember, that

citizens attended the Town Council’s June 28, 2023 meeting to express concerns that this

Group had been posting signs on utility poles along Route 12 in Gales Ferry. Councilor Paul

questioned whether the town should raise the Flag of Pro-Life Groups because they asked the

Town to raise their Flag during their special month.

Councilor Paul stated that his question was Where do we draw the Line? Why are we

pandering to Special Interest Groups? He stated if we do it for one, then we have to do it for

all to ensure that all were treated equally and fairly. He stated that he agreed with wanting to

lift up minorities, however, he stated their job was to govern, and to make sure people were

not being discriminated against. He asked the Town Council and its Chairman to look at

their Policies, and what the Town Council and its Subcommittees Roles were. He questioned

how hosting events came about and doing things in the name of the entire Town Council and

the Town. He stated his concerns were regarding the legality, noting that their job was to

make sure they were governing, and that people were not being discriminated against; not to

throw parties and to raise flags. He stated that he was a warrior for minority groups, and he

stated if they were going to lift up minorities that he would personally like to lift up the

unborn. He stated the unborn was the biggest minority they had, and he questioned how

some town residents would feel if they raised the Pro-Life Flag. He asked the Town Council

to consider his comments this evening when they discussed New Business Item #1 regarding

the Pride Flag.

Councilor Ryan, attending remotely, stated that he would first like to congratulate all the

volunteers who were involved in another successful Regatta Day Festival, especially

Councilor Buhle for all her organizational efforts, and Councilor Paul for his multimedia

contributions. He stated it was truly a great event that was quickly becoming a Ledyard

tradition, and he noted that it was especially nice because it was around the corner from

where he lived.

Councilor Ryan continued by noting that there were a lot of things to celebrate in the month

of June, noting that one was Men’s Health Month. He stated that he wanted to bring

attention to Men’s Health Month, noting that it was an annual observance, that was

established in 1994. He stated in conjunction with Men’s Health Week, that June was a time

to help educate men and their families about the importance of being proactive about their

health, heightening awareness of preventable health problems for males of all ages,

supporting men and boys to engage in healthier lifestyle choices, and to encourage the early

detection and treatment of diseases and depression.

Councilor Ryan stated on average, men in the United States die nearly 6-years earlier than

women and were at higher risk for many serious diseases, including heart disease, HIV, lung

cancer, and of course, prostate cancer.

Councilor Ryan noted according to the Anxiety & Depression Association of America, that

Men were less likely to openly discuss mental health issues and seek help than women, due

to social norms, reluctance, and belittlement from others, stating that these stigmas have a

significant impact on males. He stated that approximately one in ten men experience

depression or anxiety. He stated because fewer than half of men receive mental health

treatment, that each year four times more men commit suicide than women. He stated a good

first step on the path toward improved health was to make a call to establish a primary care

provider (PCP) who could recommend age- and risk-appropriate health screenings. However,

he stated Men 15-65 years of age were significantly less likely than women to seek

preventive care services, and they were more likely to report not having a primary care

provider. He stated that he fell into that category, noting that he waited until he was 40-years

old, stating that he should have done it earlier. He stated, as such, please take the opportunity

this month to support the men and boys in your life, reinforcing the need to get screened

early and often.

He stated as always, if you or someone you know was in a crisis, get help immediately,

noting that they should call 911 or call or text to reach the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.

Councilor Ryan stated that he also had comments regarding New Business Item #1 regarding

the Pride Flag, and he asked Chairman Rodriguez whether she would like him to provide his

comments now or wait. Chairman Rodriguez suggested Councilor Ryan hold his comments

until the Town Council discusses New Business Item #1 later this evening.

Councilor Brunelle thanked Councilor Buhle for a beautiful Regatta Event, which she was

happy to participate in. She noted it was a gorgeous day, with lots of happy faces and smiles,

stating that you could see the amount of work that went into the Event.

Councilor Saccone stated about a week ago there was a horrific, fatal motorcycle accident in

town. He stated at no cost to the town the Fire Department called in a Critical Incident Stress

Debriefing Team to provide mental health support to their First Responders. He stated during

the meeting their First Responders (Dispatch, Firefighters and Emergency Medical

Technicians (EMT)) were able to have a good discussion about what they saw and

experienced. He stated the Critical Incident Stress Debriefing Team provided some direction,

and places where they could go to get additional help. He stated that it was a good meeting

for all those involved.

Chairman Rodriguez stated the Police Department had Chaplains to help support the Officers

after critical incidents. She questioned whether the Fire Departments also Chaplains had

available to provide support. Councilor Saccone stated all the town’s First Responders which

included the Emergency Dispatch, Police Department, both Ledyard and Gales Ferry Fire

Departments and their Emergency Medical Technician (EMT) were all invited to the meeting

with the Critical Incident Stress Debriefing Team.

Councilor Buhle stated that she would like to begin by thanking everyone who attended the

3rd Annual Regatta Day Festival in Gales Ferry, celebrating one of Gales Ferry’s oldest

traditions; the Harvard-Yale Regatta. She stated that it was great to see a pavilion full of

people to watch the races down the Thames River. She thanked Councilor Paul for his

support with the live-stream of the races for all of the community who came out to support

the event. She also gave a special thanks to the Ledyard Fire Company, Gales Ferry Fire

Police, Ledyard Public Library, Ledyard Lions, Ledyard Rotary, and Ledyard Parks and

Recreation for all of their support in making it a successful event. She noted that Harvard

won for the first time in ten years.

Councilor Buhle went on to provide an update regarding Ledyard’s Application that was

submitted to Senator Chris Murphy and Senator Richard Blumenthal for the Congressionally

Directed Spending Grant to purchase and updated their CAD/RMS system for their

Emergency Dispatch/Police Department noting their Project Application was selected and

was moving forward. She stated that Ledyard’s Grant Application was now in the hands of

the Senate Appropriations Committee and that the town would find out more in the fall.

Councilor Buhle stated on another note, that she wanted to take a moment to share her

thoughts and comments after last week’s June 5, 2024 Community Relations Committee for

Diversity, Equity & Inclusion meeting. She stated although she was not a member of the

Committee, that she attended the meeting and that she would like to share some words.

Councilor Buhle stated, First, that she wanted to express her sincerest appreciation for the

Committee and the work they have put in over the years to improve the communication

between residents in our town. She stated when she saw that the Community Relations

Committee for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (CRC-DEI) had planned a Pride Event for our

town that she was thrilled, noting that many surrounding towns have Pride Events, and so

she was excited to see one here in Ledyard.

Councilor Buhle stated the Pride Event does not come without controversy. She stated while

there was procedural controversy regarding the planning, advertisement, and endorsement of

the event, there were also some deeper concerns that she had regarding some of the emails

that were sent about the event, and further concerns when considering comments made at the

Community Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion June 5, 2024 meeting in

opposition to the event.

Councilor Buhle went on to note that the first thing she wanted to address was the concept

that Community Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion should not be

hosting the event, but partnering with someone else who was hosting it. She noted in past

years, as a resident that she asked the Ledyard Farmer’s Market to make one of their June

Markets a Pride Month Theme, noting that the Farmers Market promptly shut her idea down

and said “No”. She stated that this showed that there was no forum for acceptance; stating

that the idea was that they would need to wait for someone else to hold a Pride Event and

then tag onto it; however, she stated that this was never going to happen, unless they did it.

Councilor Buhle continued by stating when planning the Pride Event, there was a statement

that government does not need to host a Pride Event, in general, and should not be involved,

especially including the comparisons to “Should there be a straight Christian event?” She

stated that members of the LGBTQIA+ Community do not feel safe or welcomed in many

spaces. She stated the concept of a Pride Pizza Party creates a space where we can hang out

with our LGBTQIA+ friends and neighbors and let all of the members of the LGBTQIA+

Community in our town know that they have a space where they can be welcomed and come

as they are without fear of judgment or intolerance.

Councilor Buhle stated that Pride had a history going back to 1969, and the first federal

recognition of Pride Month came in 1999. She stated in the 25th year of a Federally

recognized Pride Month, that it was about time that Ledyard started to recognizing it.

Councilor Buhle went on to state that one of the other concerns she had was with the

qualification that a family member of Councilor Paul stated that they felt that there was not a

need for a Town Pride Event and that they would not attend. She stated that she was glad that

Councilor Paul spoke with those in his life in this community, but that she wanted to stress

that the voice of one or two cannot suppress the voices of the many others who have asked

for a Pride Event; or were speaking up in-favor of a Pride Event. She stated in no way was

this event mandatory for anyone, and like many other things, if you do not feel like a Pride

Event was your thing, then don’t go to it. However, she stated that disagreement or

disinterest by a few does not mean that we should not do it at all. She stated one or two

members of a community cannot speak for an entire community; and that there was no harm

in hosting a Pride Event with potentially low attendance. However, she stated that there was

harm in dismissing our LGBTQIA+ Community because we have decided they do not want

it, especially when a member of the LGBTQIA+ Community was on our Town Council and

speaks for it as well.

Councilor Buhle stated that she also had friends in the LGBTQ Community and friends who

are parents of LGBTQIA+ Children, and while discussing this with them, one of her friends

remarked, “I have to speak up. I am the parent of a trans kid.” She stated this statement

struck her, noting that it was not the responsibility of the marginalized to fight for change

and recognition. Furthermore, she stated that another friend stated: “That they would fight

for their trans child, but their trans child deserved to be themselves without getting dragged

into this and labeled as “The Trans Kid.””

Councilor Buhle went on to note a short but related story stating that she shaved her head

twice for childhood cancer research, and that her child has never had cancer. She stated

when people have asked her about it, that her response was that “I hope that if my child had

cancer, parents of those whose children didn’t have cancer would fight for me.” She stated

that this example was the equivalent to her. She stated that her son has not yet expressed if

he is gay, trans, or queer, but she knew that by standing up for those who were gay, trans, or

queer, that he would always know he has a safe space to be whoever he is.

Councilor Buhle stated Lastly, with the Community Relations Committee’s focus on mental

health over the last few years, that it was extremely important for us to embrace and support

our LGBTQIA+ Community and Youth. She noted that according to The Trevor Project, a

nonprofit dedicated to LGBTQIA+ Youth Suicide Prevention, 41% of LGBTQIA+ young

people ages 13-24 seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year, including roughly

half of transgender and nonbinary youth. Additionally, only one third of LGBTQIA+ young

people experience parental acceptance, with one third experiencing rejection and one third

not disclosing their identity until they were adults. She stated that LGBTQIA+ young adults

who report high levels of parental rejection were eight times more likely to report attempting

suicide. She stated while we cannot control whether our LGBTQIA+ youth was accepted at

home by their parents, we can create safe spaces and events that show that our town was

welcoming and supportive. Just over 1 in 3 transgender and nonbinary youth found their

home to be gender-affirming, with 52% finding their school to be affirming. The Trevor

Project’s Research consistently finds that LGBTQIA+ young people report lower rates of

attempting suicide when they have access to LGBTQIA+ affirming spaces.

Councilor Buhle went on to state that she could go on reading statistics about why this was

important all night, but people were not statistics. She stated that there were absolutely

members of our community who need to know we are an affirming, supportive community.

She stated that we must be more than a “Town for all Seasons”; but a “Town for all People.”

Councilor St. Vil noted that the tonight’s theme was “All of our Residents; and All of our

People”. He stated with this in mind he wanted to remind residents with the warmer weather

there were more people out on the roads. He stated that he lived in the Highlands subdivision

and that folks were out walking. He stated that drivers need to be mindful that there were

folks on the road, noting that he has seen a lot of young children out, and he recently saw a

young child run out into the road after a ball. He stated that the same applied to motorcycles,

noting as motorcycle enthusiasts were also out on the road that you may not hear them

coming. He stated these were safety precautions that they needed to be mindful of as the

weather was warming up.

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated that she was excited to announce that Ledyard would be

starting a Food Scrap Compost PILOT Program. She explained that the State of Connecticut

has been working on a Removal of Organics from the Waste Stream Bill which once

approved, would be implemented in 2027. She explained with the July, 2022 closing of the

East Hartford MIRA Facility (Materials Innovation and Recycling Authority) that 30

Municipalities had to find another facility, because all the Incinerator Plants were at capacity.

Therefore, she stated the State has been trucking 800,000 tons of Solid Waste out of

Connecticut every year to landfills in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York. She stated Food

Scraps were the major component of household trash explaining that because of its water

content that it made the trash heavy. She stated by removing Food Scraps from the waste

stream that they could significantly reduce the tonnage that was sent to landfills and

incinerators and reduce costs. She noted the Town of Ledyard pays more than $1 million

every year to haul trash from everyone’s homes.

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry went on to note that all residents could participate in the Ledyard’s

Food Scrap PILOT Program, but that the starter kits would only be given for free to 100

residents on first-come first-serve basis. She stated the Blue Earth Composting Starter Kits

would provide 100 compost bins and compostable bags. In addition, there would be Compost

Carts at the Transfer Station where residents would be required to drop off their food scraps.

She stated that they would be providing educational materials and that she hoped the PILOT

Program would be successful and would be a good start in preparation for the State’s 2027

implementation of Removal of Organics from the Waste Stream Bill.

Chairman Rodriguez announced Ledyard High School’s Class of 2024 Graduation would be

held on Friday, June 14, 2024. She wished all of the Graduates a great future in whatever

endeavors they have planned post-graduation.

VIII. REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES

MOTION to approve the following Town Council Minutes

Special Meeting Minutes of May 22, 2024 6:15 p.m. (Executive Session)

Regular Meeting Minutes of May 22, 2024

Moved by Councilor Buhle, seconded by Councilor St. Vil

VOTE:

9 - 0 Approved and so declared

APPROVED AND SO DECLARED

RESULT:

MOTION to approve the Town Council Special Meeting Minutes of May 22, 2024 6:30 p.m.

(Executive Session)

Moved by Councilor Buhle, seconded by Councilor St. Vil

VOTE:

8 - 0 - 1 Approved and so declared (Saccone Abstained)

APPROVED AND SO DECLARED

RESULT:

IX.

COMMUNICATIONS

Communications List - June 12, 2024

Chairman Rodriguez stated a Communications List has been provided on the meeting portal for

tonight’s meeting, and she noted referrals were listed.

REFERALS

XI.

COUNCIL SUB COMMITTEE, LIAISON REPORTS

Administration Committee

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated the Administration Committee met earlier this evening and

addressed the following: (1) Approved to forward a reappointment to the Parks, Recreation &

Senior Citizens Commission; (2) Proposed amendments to Ordinance #100-015 “An

Ordinance Establishing a Permanent Municipal Building Committee for the Town of

Ledyard”; (3) A proposed “An Ordinance Providing Tax Relief For Gold Star Families in

the Town of Ledyard”; (4) Proposed amendments to Ordinance #100-0111 “An Ordinance

Establishing Social Services Board For the Town of Ledyard”; (5) Creating an Ethics

Commission for the Town of Ledyard.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Community Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion

Councilor Brunelle stated the Community Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity &

Inclusion met on June 5, 2024 and discussed many things including the Pride Pizza Event

which was going to be held on June 29, 2024. She stated the Committee’s Mission

Statement was to “engage” with the community. She stated “engage” was an action verb,

noting that that it was not just to deal with complaints or passively talk with people. She

stated it was to engage the community and help the community. She stated this year they

also added the following words to the Committee’s title “Diversity, Equity & Inclusion”

because they wanted to be more inclusive and have equity and to acknowledge our diversity

in their lovely Town of Ledyard. She stated it was a great town, noting that there were

many people who live here, and they were all great. She stated as the Chair of the

Committee that her plan was to engage with the community in all different sorts of things

like Pride Month, Senior Citizens Day , noting that even though they have a Senior Center

that she has seen other towns and cities in other states that have a special day for their

senior citizens and celebrate them. She stated that she did not see why they should just say

“Oh the Senior Center handles that”. She stated that did not mean that they could not have

a special day for them. She stated having a special day for the senior citizens should not

make everyone else angry. Just like they could have a special day for the Children on the

field to celebrate the children in their town; or Black History Month or Women’s History

Month. She stated celebrating people in our community had nothing to do with putting

down or angering other people, noting that was other peoples’ reactions, stating that they

cannot control everybody’s reactions, and they cannot control everything else, but you

could control yourself. She stated that she would like to see this town to be known for being

more inclusive, and more welcoming and friendly. She stated right now, to be bluntly

honest, Ledyard was not in many eyes, welcoming of our kind, or even a place where

people wanted to live. She stated sadly she thought people did not want to know that this

was the truth. She stated unfortunately, a lot of people speak badly about Ledyard, and that

she wanted to see this change. She stated that she wanted this town to be great, noting that

we have a wonderful Farmers Market, noting that it was fantastic, it was one of the best in

the state, and she questioned why they could not be the best in everything. She stated they

had a fantastic Regatta, noting that we needed more things like that, more things to lift up

our community. She stated this Community Relations Committee was for all positive, not

for negative. She stated that she was proud of the Committee and what they do.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Finance Committee

Councilor Saccone stated the Finance Committee met on June 5, 2024 and they have a

number of items on tonight’s Agenda.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Land Use/Planning/Public Works Committee

Councilor St. Vil stated the LUPPW Committee met on June 3, 2024 and discussed the

process to seek a historic designation for the Spicer Homestead Ruins that was located

within the Clark Farm property. He noted the LUPPW Committee would be sending a

letter to the Historic District Commission to request they take the following actions: (1)

Provide a general description of the area to be included within the historic designation,

including the total number of buildings and landmarks according to their known or

estimated ages; (2) Create a map showing the exact boundaries of the area to be included

within the historic designation; (3) Request that the Administrative Control of the

designated area of the Spicer Homestead Ruins be assigned to the Historic District

Commission. He stated once they complied this information the LUPPW Committee would

come to the Town Council to request the assignment of Administrative Control of the

historically designated area to the Historic District Commission

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Liaison Reports

Permanent Municipal Building Committee

Councilor Brunelle stated the PMBC would be meeting on June 17, 2024.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Ledyard Center Fire Department

Councilor Saccone stated the new Fire Truck- Tanker was now in service. He stated because

Ledyard did not have a lot of fire hydrants in town that it was important to have a tanker

truck stating that the new truck could bring 3,000 gallons of water to a fire.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Gales Ferry Fire Department

Councilor Saccone stated the Gales Ferry Organization President (Forman) met with State

Senator Cathy Osten to discuss the $500,000 Grant Application that the State approved. He

stated Senator Osten assisted them with the completion of the necessary forms. He stated

that the Gales Ferry Fire Department hoped to receive the funding within a couple of weeks,

so that they could move forward with repairing the roof and purchase some needed

firefighting equipment.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Retirement Board

Chairman Rodriguez stated the Retirement Board would be meeting on June 18, 2024.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Ledyard Farmers’ Committee

Chairman Rodriguez stated the Farmers Market was in full swing, noting that they had their

2024 Season Kick-Off on June 5th stating that the Market would be held each Wednesday

from 4:00- - 7:00 p.m. thru September 11th at the Lower Town Green. She stated they had a

lot of attendance, good food, and good entertainment.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Housing Authority

Councilor Paul stated the Housing Authority met on June 3, 2024 and addressed the

following: (1) Election of Officers - Councilor Paul explained that due to a procedural

oversight, noting that they did not second the motion to elect officers, that the Board would

need to vote on their officers again at their July 1, 2024 meeting; and

(2)

Renovation-Upgrades Kings Corner Senior Citizens Housing Facility - Councilor Paul

stated there were a few areas where the concrete needed to be redone, noting that the work

was under warranty.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Ledyard Beautification Committee

Councilor Buhle stated the Beautification Committee met on June 4, 2024 and were

working on a rock painting project and other projects.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Economic Development Commission

Councilor Buhle stated the EDC cancelled their June 4, 2024 meeting because they did not

have a quorum.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Inland Wetland and Water Courses Commission

Councilor St. Vil stated the IWWC met on June 4, 2024 noting that they primarily discussed

the legal jurisdiction regarding the IWWC Applications, prior to the Planning & Zoning

Commission’s approval. He stated this discussion would continue into the future.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Planning & Zoning Commission

Councilor St. Vil stated the Planning & Zoning Commission held a Special Meeting on May

30, 2024 to address an Application regarding a proposed development on Route 12, Gales

Ferry, which was withdrawn. He stated the Planning & Zoning Commission’s next Regular

Meeting was scheduled for June 13, 2024.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Water Pollution Control Authority

Councilor Dombrowski stated the WPCA met on May 28, 2024 and addressed the

following: (1) Ledyard Center Sewer Line Extension - Councilor Dombrowski stated that

the WPCA discussed Property Owners’ request regarding their ability to hook into the

sewer line coming into Ledyard Center; (2) Billing & Collection Reports - Councilor

Dombrowski noted at the Town Council’s January 24, 2024 meeting he reported that a

Budget Consultant who was hired, reported that the WPCA Budget was insolvent and that

they would need to increase their rates by 100%. He stated in light of the Consultant’s

Report the WPCA was continuing to review the data collected. He stated based on their

initial review to-date, the WPCA believed that they were not insolvent; however, they

needed to continue to collect data to continue their review; (3) Payment of Invoices -

Councilor Dombrowski stated the WPCA noted that they were receiving invoices late; and

that they would follow up with the Finance Department to inquire about the delay of

invoices being forwarded to them.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Library Commission

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated the Library Commission’s next meeting was scheduled for

June 17, 2024.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

Board of Education

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated the Board of Education met on June 11, 2024 and

addressed the following: (1) Capital Non Recurring Account - The Board of Education

discussed submitting a request to use their Capital Funds which included: Parts for

Maintenance and Equipment, Replacement of the Air Compressor for the HVAC; etc.; (2)

Agri-Science (ASTE) Grant Funding - The 2024 Agricultural Science Technology

Education (ASTE) 2024 List included: Livestock supplies and equipment; small animals

equipment, etc.; (3) Curriculum Revisions; (4) Proposed amendments to Ordinance

#100-015 “An Ordinance Establishing a Permanent Municipal Building Committee for the

Town of Ledyard”. The Board of Education would provide suggestions to the

Administration Committee.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

REPORT OF THE MAYOR:

XII.

Chairman Rodriguez noted because Mayor Allyn, III, was not able to attend tonight’s meeting he

provided a report that she would read as follows: (1) Revaluation Services Bid 2024-04- (Real

Estate Five-Year Full Revaluation) - The Bid Opening was held on May 30, 2024, and because

only two Bids were received that a request for a Bid Waiver would be submitted to the Finance

Committee. The low bid was $257,000; however, only $180,000 had been budgeted for this

work; therefore, additional funding would need to be identified; (2) Nuclear Safety FEMA

Evaluated Drill was held on June 4, 2024. The FEMA Evaluators provided Ledyard with an

Excellent Grade. Mayor Allyn, thanked Emergency Management Director Jim Mann, Ledyard

Center Fire Chief Jon Mann, and Gales Ferry Fire Member Ted Day for their outstanding work;

(3) School(s) Consolidation/Improvement Project(s) (Middle School & Gallup Hill School) -

The Town received an interim payment for school projects in the amount of $7.8 million, with

approximately $ 2.2 million that would be due as the final disbursement from the State; (4)

Yale-Harvard Regatta - Mayor Allyn drew race lanes for the 157th Yale-Harvard Regatta in New

London on June 6, 2024. The Regatta was held in Gales Ferry on June 8, 2024 noting that it was

the oldest collegiate sporting event; (5) Mayor Allyn attended Chamber Legislative Breakfast on

June 11, 2024; (6) Bonding Plan has been delayed to next Spring, 2025. The town would use

their own funds to float the needs until Spring. This approach would save the town thousands of

dollars in bond issuance costs; (7) EPPI (Emergency Planning and Preparedness Drill) Drill was

held today. The simulation was a state-wide cyber-attack on elections with physical attacks on

polling places. The Drill was very long but included some excellent issues to be prepared for.

Questions to the Mayor - None.

RECEIVED AND FILED

RESULT:

XIII. OLD BUSINESS

None.

XIV. NEW BUSINESS

Community Relations Committee

Discuss Pride Flag.

Councilor Brunelle stated on June 5, 2024 that the Community Relations Committee for

Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (CRC-DEI) had a wonderful meeting at which they talked about

the Pride Pizza Event. She stated that during their meeting the Committee also discussed raising

the Pride Flag to show that the LGBTQIA+ Community was welcome in our town, as many

other towns in the State of Connecticut do, their State Capitol does, and many across the country

do. She stated the LGBTQIA+ Community were our neighbors, our friends, our colleagues, our

children’s friends. She stated that she was part of the LGBTQIA+ Community and that she

wanted to thank Councilor Buhle for reviewing the statistics earlier this evening (VI. Councilor

Comments - see above) because she was one of the one-third who did not disclose until she was

an adult, stating it was easy not too; because she was married to lovely husband, and therefore,

there was no reason to disclose. However, she stated it was who she was, noting that she loved

everybody. She stated that she wanted to read part of the Office of Legislative Research Report

#2024-R-0078 “Unofficial Flags on Town and School Property” that was provided by the Mayor

and was included with the Agenda packet on the Meeting Portal as follows:

“Unofficial Flags Generally Allowed. Other towns, including Easton, New Britain, and South

Windsor, among others, have policies or ordinances that generally allow unofficial flags but impose

certain restrictions or requirements.”

Councilor Brunelle stated as many mentioned this evening there was risk and she commented that

just being alive was risk. She stated they have children, and they want them to experience riding a

bike, noting that it was wonderful, thrilling, fantastic. However, she stated that there was risk,

because they could get hurt. Therefore, she stated they minimize that risk, we give them a helmet,

and teach them how to ride their bike correctly, noting that they were not taking away their

enjoyment, and they could still go on with their lives. She stated they cannot live their lives hiding in

a box and being afraid of what might be done. She continued to note the Office of Legislative

Research Report #2024-R-0078 “Unofficial Flags on Town and School Property” as follows:

“Manchester’s policy allows unofficial (i.e., commemorative and organizational) flags on a

designated flagpole upon request to and approval by the board of directors. The board will not

consider certain categories of flags (e.g., those of a particular religion, political party, business,

or those that enable violence, discrimination, prejudice, or racism) and the policy does not

apply to board of education-controlled properties. The policy specifies that flagpoles are not

intended to serve as a forum for free expression.

Government Speech and Private Speech ……The U.S. Supreme Court established that a

government entity is entitled to say what it wishes and to select the views it wants to express

…….”

Councilor Brunelle stated instead of the flagpole being a form for free expression that it would

be our Government Entity to say what the government wished to express. She stated in this case

our Government Entity would be expressing that the LGBTQIA+ Community was welcome in

our community and celebrated. She stated it was Pride Month and that was what Pride Month

was about, noting that it was about celebrating and coming together as a community.

Councilor Brunelle stated after all of the discussion, that she would recommend the Town

Council adopt an Ordinance similar to other towns who have already done the work, noting that

they already had the words that would minimize and mitigate the risk, and so they would not

have to worry about “If they fly this flag, that they would then have to fly that flag, etc.” She

stated the ordinance would include the caveat that “no religion, political party, business, or

those that enable violence, discrimination, prejudice, or racism flags would be considered”. She

stated the flagpole was not here for free expression, noting that the flagpole was to represent

what the government, and what we want to express. She stated our government is our town, we

are the government of the people. She stated that she found it funny that everybody acted so

scared of the government “Oh what of the government; what if we get sued, what if we get….”.

She stated we are the government, and we should not be afraid of ourselves, especially if they

were trying to do something positive. She stated because she did not start out as a political

person, and she came to the Town Council just wanting to help the community, that maybe she

was a little naïve. She stated that she chooses to see the good in people, she chooses to want to

help people, she chooses to want to lift up others.

Councilor Brunelle noted some comments that were said earlier this evening as follows:

· “Sexual orientation equaled a political party”. Councilor Brunelle stated that this statement

was prejudice, and that sexual orientation does not prejudice, political party.

· “Showing our Pride would make other people angry”. Councilor Brunelle questioned why

would showing their pride make others angry. She stated this was not a reason to show a

Pride Flag.

Councilor Brunelle stated the goal of their community was for the strong to support the weak to

help lift people up. She stated raising the Pride Flag was the right thing to do, noting that it was

about time they did it and joined the other towns, cities, and states across the country that do it.

She stated that she understands the risks, but that they have things they could put in place to

mitigate the risk. She stated that she did not think it was right to discriminate, noting that this

was right from her heart.

Councilor Ryan stated that he had some concerns about flying flags, other than the U.S.

American Flag and the State of Connecticut Flag, on town-owned property. He stated that his

first concern was that we, as a town, have no official policy governing what flags were allowed

to be flown on town property and when they can be flown. He stated in the Office of Legislative

Research Report #2024-R-0078 “Unofficial Flags on Town and School Property” they cited the

case of “Shurtleff Et Al. V. City of Boston”, noting that the Supreme Court of the United States

held that since Boston, at the time, had no written policies or clear internal guidance about what

flags groups could fly and what those flags would communicate, third-party flag raisings would

be classified as private, not government, speech”. Therefore, he stated without a written policy,

denial of any third party flag would likely end up being construed as a denial of free speech, a

legal quandary we do not want to find ourselves embroiled in.

Councilor Ryan went on to note as they saw just last week in Wethersfield, Connecticut, even

when following a written policy approved by their town council, the town could get

unnecessarily embroiled in a social controversy that could cast a dark shadow over the town,

whether it was merited or un-merited. He stated in the Wethersfield case, even the author of the

town’s Flag Policy commented that it seemed like they would need to revisit their policy in light

of these recent events. Councilor Ryan stated that interestingly, when the policy was first

adopted, some council members in Wethersfield noted the policy may lead down a slippery slope

of deciding winners and losers. He questioned whether these were the kinds of attention and

issues they needed to attract in Ledyard?; noting that he personally does not think so.

Councilor Ryan continued by noting that their current and past Mayors established and continued

a wise, but informal, policy of only flying official U.S. American Flag and State of Connecticut

Flag on town property. He stated that he felt that Ledyard should continue this practice, and

more than that, they should formalize it in a written policy, especially in light of what

Wethersfield was enduring, and in the interest of keeping the town from engaging in wasteful,

potentially costly, legal problems. He stated in this case, the conservative path forward was the

best path.

Councilor Paul stated he loved everyone too, and that he believed in lifting everyone up, which

was the reason he gets involved in social things through his music and other things that were

outside of his role and responsibilities on the Town Council. He stated that he would only

reiterate the comments he provided earlier this evening (VI. Council Comments - see above).

However, he stated that he would bring up the notion that if he were to come to the Town

Council or the Mayor’s Office and asked that the town raise the Pro-Life Flag because he would

like to represent the minority of all the babies that were being murdered all over the world, that

Flag might offend some people. Therefore, he questioned whether his right to fly the Pro-Life

Flag would be less likely than the Pride Flag or a flag from any other group; and he questioned

who would make that determination. He stated he agreed with Councilor Ryan’s comments,

noting that it was a slippery slope when the government takes on this type of role. He stated this

was not about denying somebody their rights; or telling somebody that they do not like them; or

they were not welcome. He stated as individuals, and through the Community Relations

Committee for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (CRC-DEI) that there were plenty of things they

could do to make sure resources were available. He stated the Town Council’s job was to govern

and to stand up for those rights, but not necessarily to put the town into a position where they

would not like to find themselves in, as Councilor Ryan mentioned. He stated it was unfair to

associate the two, stating because they do not want to a fly flag or host something that it meant

that they did not care about people, stating that perception was absolutely not true. He concluded

his comments by stating that what was good for one was good for others too.

Chairman Rodriguez stated for transparency, that she met with the Mayor last week, and they

discussed the Pride Flag. She noted that the Mayor stated there was an unwritten policy not to fly

other flags except for the American Flag and the State Flag. She went on to note that the Mayor

stated if he were to raise the Pride Flag that it would be on the flagpole behind the Bill Library

by the War Memorial Monument. She stated that she thought that this was something the Mayor

could bring up to the Town Council. She stated since their meeting, that yesterday the Mayor

stated that he misspoke, and he would not fly the Pride Flag by the War Memorial Monument,

but that if he had to, that he would fly the Flag on the Town Green. She stated at 3:51 p.m. this

afternoon the Town Council received an email from the Mayor that she would read into the

record:

“All:

I cannot attend tonight due to a conflicting personal matter. I have attached my report

for the last two weeks. Please reach out with any questions or added detail you may

need.

In regards to the so-called unofficial flag flying, I have continued a policy that has

extended over many mayors which simply says:

"We fly the American flag and the State of CT flag and nothing else".

On a recent occasion, a unofficial flag was raised and when I saw it, I immediately had

Public Works remove it. This policy is clear, avoids any perceived conflicts and

unintended consequences and does not get the town into situations such as determining

what is hateful, objectionable, offensive and otherwise- and in whose opinion is any

flag any one of these things to name but a few. I do not support changing this policy

that has guided us.

It is also noted that flags must be raised and lowered on a daily basis on an unlit

flagpole. Per union contract, the work of raising and lowering the flags is by Public

Works only. If the Town Council chooses to override the standing policy, there will be

an added labor cost associated with the raising and lowering of said flag on a daily

basis- and holidays is automatic 4 hours of overtime to complete said task, per union

contract.

Please remember, everything has a cause, and every cause has a flag. A policy change

could very well be opening Pandora's box.

I have also attached the Office of Legislative Research white paper on unofficial flags.

This report was issued May 7, 2024.”

Councilor Ryan stated Point of Order, noting that the Mayor was not present this evening; and

although he understood that Chairman Rodriguez stated that she had conversations with the

Mayor, that because the Mayor was not present this evening to either confirm or deny, or talk

about what conversations transpired between himself and Chairman Rodriguez, that it was not

fair to have those comments in the record. Therefore, he asked that Chairman Rodriguez’s

comments prior to reading the Mayor’s email dated June 12, 2024 be struck from the record.

Councilor Brunelle stated that it was not fair to have Chairman Rodriguez statements regarding

her conversation with the Mayor struck from the record because, it would be insinuating that she

was lying. She stated lying was not allowed per Roberts Rules. Councilor Ryan stated that it

doesn’t matter, noting that the Mayor was not present this evening to talk about what he said or

did not say, and her statements were hearsay. He stated he would not like it if in his absence

someone said he said something when he was not present to confirm or deny it, when it was

going on public record.

Chairman Rodriguez called a Point of Order; and thanked Councilor Ryan for his comments,

noting that she would take his request into consideration.

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated that her comments were not regarding whether they should fly

the Pride Flag or not, noting that her comments were more about the June 5, 2024 Community

Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (CRC-DEI). She stated that she was part

of a minority group, and she noted one of the statements was that they “Had to have government

out of peoples lives”. However, she stated the reality was that government was made “By the

People; for the People”

Councilor Garcia-Irizary stated if it was not for the government:

· That she probably would not be here.

· She would not be able to run for elected office.

· Her husband would have to sign a credit card application for her.

· There would still be segregated Schools for Black people and for white people.

· It would be illegal for people from different races to get married.

Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated when we celebrate something, that it did not mean that the

person who was not being celebrated was less. She stated it just meant in that specific moment

they were celebrating something. She stated the turn for others to be celebrated would come,

noting as Councilor Brunelle mentioned that she wanted to have a day for Senior Citizens, and a

day for Children’s Day. She stated when she first moved to Ledyard the Parks & Recreation

Commission had a Children’s Day in September to celebrate the kids. She stated that she did

not think anyone would complain about celebrating kids. She stated in the month of June, that

maybe they celebrate Pride Month, and she noted that the kids who were not gay should not get

mad, noting that they could have a celebration for all kids later on. She noted Councilor Ryan’s

comments about June being Men’s Mental Health Month (VI. Councilor Comments), and she

stated that they do not talk a lot about Men’s Mental Health, which should be brought to the

forefront, because it was a problem. However, she stated because they cared about Men’s Mental

Health that did not mean that they did not care about Women’s Mental Health. She stated just

because they speak about a something at a specific moment that did not mean that they did not

care about other things. She stated everyone experiences life differently, noting that she was an

only child, but that she has three kids. She stated her oldest child experiences life differently

from her second and third child; and the same was true for her other two children. She stated we

all say: “We treat all of our children the same, why are they all so different”. She stated many

night’s the Town Council meetings were empty, and that she found it sad that there were so

many people present this evening to talk against Pride; and they were against a celebration for a

community that was discriminated against and had a hard time for many things. She stated that

she wished they could all get along and celebrate each other. She stated it was true that they do

not have a day to celebrate people who were straight, but that they celebrate their weddings, and

many other things. However, she stated up to a few years ago gay people could not celebrate a

wedding because they were not allowed to get married, which was a privilege that straight

people had. She noted as Councilor Buhle stated (VI. Councilor Comments- see above) that she

shaved her head to support Children’s Cancer Research; and that she hoped that other people

would do the same. Councilor Garcia-Irizarry stated that she had a child that had cancer, who

was a minority and that she appreciated all that Councilor Buhle did to bring awareness to

Childhood Cancer. She concluded her remarks by again stating government was “By the People;

for the People”. She stated that they were here for the people, noting they could have

differences, but as long as they were not discriminating or excluding people, that they should not

shut them down just because it was something they did not agree with. She stated if there was

something she did not agree with that she just did not participate; however, she stated if it made

someone else happy; and they were not hurting anybody, that they should do it. She stated with

regard to the Pride Flag that perhaps enacting a policy would resolve some of the issues.

Councilor Dombrowski stated that he was not against any of this, noting that he was good with

having a Pride Event in town. However, he stated the question was “Should it be sponsored by

the government?”. He stated by the government sponsoring a Pride Event would lead to other

questions such as:

· What other Organizations, and Special Interest Groups do they sponsor an event for?

· Where do they stop?

· What’s next?

Councilor Dombrowski stated that the same questions would apply to flying other unofficial

flags. He stated that this discussion was not against the Pride Flag, noting that the Pride Flag

brought this discussion to the forefront. He stated the discussion was about:

· What do they not allow.

· Who makes that determination

· What slippery slope do they go down when someone wanted to fly the Gadsden Flag.

Councilor Dombrowski stated the Gadsden Flag was their fight for independence in the

American Revolutionary War. However, he stated today, some find the Flag offensive,

because it was adopted by a specific organization. He questioned which definition they

should go with?

Councilor Dombrowski continued by stating that he would agree with

drafting policy, however, he stated the policy would need to be carefully

and conservatively crafted. He stated if they limited some that the town

could end up in court. He stated that he was not afraid of the town going to court, noting that

they have gone to court plenty of times, however, he questioned whether they wanted to incur

the costs of going to court because someone did not agree with something this Town Council

made. He concluded his comments by stating that this was not against any group, noting that

they should not treat any group differently from any other group regardless of race, creed, color,

religion, their beliefs in any shape or form. He stated that they should not be more welcoming to

one group, and not welcome another group. They should not say “Your just the average guy we

do not care, we do not need to have a special day for you.” He recommended caution and that

they take deliberate steps to whatever path this Town Council decides.

Councilor Buhle stated she wanted to reflect on the Mayor’s June 12, 2024 email that Chairman

Rodriguez read earlier this evening. She noted Admiral Grace Hopper’s quote, which the Mayor

has on his wall in his office which stated: “The most dangerous phrase in the language is: We've

always done it this way.” She stated the statement “We have always done it this way” does not

always stand as “ We should always do it this way” She stated she agreed that she was not ready

to endorse flying a Pride Flag or any other unofficial flag until there was an ordinance in place,

because they did not want to end up like Boston or in a similar situation. She stated should they

find it necessary to enact an ordinance that they had a great group of Councilors that could work

together to make it happen. She went onto state that this was not something they should continue

to kick down the road, noting that they were continuously seeing this in other communities and

towns, it was a step of acceptance. She stated as she previously mentioned (VI. Councilor

Comments- see above) that acceptance was extremely important, showing a space where their

community was welcoming and inclusive, and that affirming the LGBTQIA+ Community was

important. She stated that this was something that they were going to have research; noting as

Councilor Brunelle stated, they could work off of the framework from other towns’ ordinances

to see what would make sense for Ledyard so that they were not flying every single flag.

Councilor St. Vil stated Councilor Garcia-Irizarry did a great job at expressing the sentiments of

former President Barack Obama which was “America was a work in progress”. He stated this

required reflection, discussion, and at times, it required them to change; noting that change was

difficult. He went to state doing things in a certain way because that was the way they have

always done it, was not an adequate response. However, he stated this proposal has forced them

to ask the questions: “Why was it important, Why as a town, Why as a government, would they

raise the Pride Flag?”.

Councilor St. Vil stated to understand the “Whys” that they would have to:

· Understand what it was like to be a marginalized member in the community.

· Understand what it was like to be a minority in a community.

· Understand what it was like to lose a little bit of yourself to fit in with the whole.

Councilor St. Vil stated if they could put their mind in that space for a moment, where they felt

the environment did not appear to be accepting of you, or the environment they were in

promulgates the way that things have always been, and anything different was wrong; that it

would make them feel like they were a sore thumb. He stated if they could put their brain there

for a minute that it would make them feel pretty good to see another sore thumb; and a bunch of

sore thumbs; or maybe some Tee-Shirts with a bunch of sore thumbs on them. He stated then

they could understand how a flag would represent that they were being seen and they were a

member of the community; and regardless of how they felt in this community that they were

proactively saying that they were cared about. Therefore, he stated this was why he thought

raising the Pride Flag was important. He stated a lot of the discussion he heard this evening

made him realize that they lived in an imperfect society.

Councilor St. Vil went on to describe a Ruffles Potato Chip commercial that he recalled from his

childhood as follows:

There were two Eskimos ice fishing, and one Eskimo had a bag of chips that he was eating one

at a time. The second Eskimo asked if he could have a chip; and the first Eskimo responded

stating: “If I give you a chip, then I will have to give a chip to everyone.” Councilor St. Vil noted

that the camera than spanned the tundra showing that there was no one else there.

Councilor St. Vil stated this commercial made him realize that there could be ghosts in the room.

He stated they could come up with reasons why they should not change, or why they should not

act differently, or they should not do things differently. However, he stated it does not resolve

them from the responsibility of putting the framework that would not allow everyone to just

come in and say, “I get a flag, and I get a flag, and you get a flag, and you get a flag…”. He

stated that there should be a process and framework in place, and that they should be expeditious

about defining the framework, so they could raise a Pride Flag within this month, noting that he

would advocate for that.

Councilor Saccone stated he was very inclusive for all walks of life. He stated his

Brother-in-Law passed away from AIDS during the 1980, noting that he was gay. He stated back

then they did not have the medicines they have today. He stated his Mother-in-Law, who was an

old Polish Lady, and did not approve of her son being gay, stood by her son’s side, sitting by his

bedside and holding his hand until he died. He stated the point of him sharing this story was

going forward that they need to recognize the right people, the right organizations, and all walks

of people, in a way that it does not bring into this town anger and hatred. He stated Ledyard had

a vast amount of military people who have lived and retired here, as well as hard working

engineers and blue color workers from General Dynamics, Electric Boat, noting that they had a

diverse community. Therefore, he stated going forward that they could have a process to develop

an ordinance that would include flying organizations’ flags in town, that represented our town.

Chairman Rodriguez stated that she read everything that was sent to the Town Council Office,

and the Office of Legislative Research Report #2024-R-0078 “Unofficial Flags on Town and

School Property” that the Mayor provided; and she heard everyone’s comments. She stated that

she understood both sides and from what she had heard was that they were all passionate, and as

Town Councilors they all wanted to do what was best. She stated because it sounded like the

Town Council wanted to draft an ordinance to address the flying of flags that she would refer

this matter to the Administration Committee. She also suggested the Administration Committee

and the Community Relations Committee for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion hold a Joint Meeting

to work on the Ordinance.

It was noted that this process would not be completed in one month. Councilor St. Vil stated

that he understood, noting that it was good to set smart goals.

CONTINUE

RESULT:

Finance Committee

MOTION to authorize the purchase of a used SCBA Cascade filling station from the Town of

Preston in the amount of $5,000 from Account # 0210-20-2050-20501-57300 (LFD CNR New

Equipment).

Moved by Councilor Buhle, seconded by Councilor Ryan

Discussion: Councilor Saccone stated the SCBA Cascade Filling Station was a compressor that

produced breathing air for the Firefighters. He stated this was a used piece of equipment the

Ledyard Center Fire Department would be purchasing from the Town of Preston, explaining that

Preston was selling this unit because they were upgrading their equipment. He stated a new

SCBA Cascade Filling Station would cost between $80,000 - $100,000. He stated the Ledyard